I wonder if our member Leigh Smith remembers this big plunge at Sandown 41 years ago on a fast dog he trained Alpine Raider. Here is a piece I wrote in 93. With the original stuff from 1983. I might be wrong but I think on one other Sandown start the “Raider” got his muzzle caught in the lids and was dragged in the air at the start. I am sure he was odds on.